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Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:36
by FJSRiDER
sprocket wrote: Its an unwritten fact that loud pipes save lives. I on more than one occasion have only been noticed by a car driver thanks to me revving my bike and if my pipes weren't loud then they wouldn't have heard me.
Rubbish. You can't hear exhausts of even the loudest bike inside a modern car that has the windows closed until it is passed.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:36
by sprocket
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:37
by Jon B
P.S I know my post is completely out of context, it could have been a good thread starter though.

Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:38
by sprocket
FJSRiDER wrote:sprocket wrote: Its an unwritten fact that loud pipes save lives. I on more than one occasion have only been noticed by a car driver thanks to me revving my bike and if my pipes weren't loud then they wouldn't have heard me.
Rubbish. You can't hear exhausts of even the loudest bike inside a modern car that has the windows closed until it is passed.
That too is testicles, I remember once sitting at a stop sign in america and actually feeling a harley coming. (insert sexual inuendos here)

let alone hear the bloody thing.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:41
by FJSRiDER
Jon B wrote:The "semiotics" as you like to call it of headlights during the day is flawed. Many people argue that the usage of headlights in natural sunlight can in fact have the adverse effect on car users pulling out of junctions. This is due to the refraction of light making the bike appear much further away than it really is.
Well, I agree with that.
Jon B wrote:This is also the reason that a lot of bikes that have twin normal beam lights have a higher chance of being pulled out on, mainly at night due to the fact that the appearance of two headlights
could indicate that it is a car driving from the distance, when in fact it is a bike waiting to be T-Boned. Therefore bikes only have 1 normal beam as standard due to a EU directive from about 5 years ago.

Not so sure - and I think I've seen some bikes are coming with twin lights lit again.
Daytime headlight use is not a EU directive at all. It is a manufacturers agreement with EU approval.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:44
by FJSRiDER
sprocket wrote:That too is testicles, I remember once sitting at a stop sign in america and actually feeling a harley coming.
I said 'modern' cars.

Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:45
by sprocket
Twas a modern car, brand new hire people carrier. Awesome air con. SO all windows were up given that it was cooler inside the car than it was outside.

Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:46
by Jon B
FJSRiDER wrote:
Not so sure - and I think I've seen some bikes are coming with twin lights lit again.
Daytime headlight use is not a EU directive at all. It is a manufacturers agreement with EU approval.
That is just a common mod, nobody gets it as standard AFAIK.
Or a manufacturers way of spending less money ;)
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:46
by Gandy
My headlights are always on, I have no way of switching them off, Suzuki have made me a tosser with out my say so! LOL

Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:50
by Jon B
Me too, I hate having my lights on all the time. Wastes battery.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:51
by sprocket
My lights are always on, just the way I was taught ... shit happens.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:51
by SNIFFY
My lights are always on (But I’m not always in according to toss pot), someone pulled out on me today. Spose that’s my fault as well.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:54
by Jon B
SNIFFALOT wrote:My lights are always on (But I’m now always in according to toss pot), someone pulled out on me today. Spose that’s my fault as well.
calm your shit.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:54
by AlexG
FJSRiDER wrote:AlexG wrote:What is the thinking behind linking semiotics and headlight use? The combination appears flawed, but perhaps I am missing something...
Semiotics - the study of signs and symbols. The use of daytime headlights sends a sign to other road users....
But I'm not going to get into that here - way beyond the grasp of the ones that only want to have a go at me and it isn't really worth my time and trouble.
Ah, I see where you are going with it now, but if you are suggesting that having one's headlight on is a sign, then surely the same must be true of the opposite state i.e. the headlight being off. For this to be valid the different states must have a different meaning - which they do not.
Sure changing the state of a headlight (i.e. flashing) can provide information and thus be a sign, but I would still contend that your use of semiotics on this occasion is incorrect.
Posted: Apr 9th, '06, 19:55
by SNIFFY
Jon B wrote:SNIFFALOT wrote:My lights are always on (But I’m now always in according to toss pot), someone pulled out on me today. Spose that’s my fault as well.
calm your [poo poo].
I just wish the fish took the bate like this jerk