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albieplums wrote:As far as I know I was last behind Kate, thought he was just bimbling, think I should've gone back as soon as I reached the 1st marker, could it have been on that downhill with the pot hole trench? I nearly came off there! But then again I should have stuck back with him all the way until we had all caught up, bad swag hope all is ok Taz.
Plums

Albie don't feel bad about it.

The important thing is that he is going to be ok, it's a shame this has happened and hopefully we can all learn from it and do things differently going forward.

Working on a Sunday is much safer

GWS Taz - hope things not too bad.

Red5 wrote: Just remember fella, pain heels, and chicks digg scars...

Thats not what you were aiming for on Thursday was it??? Hmmmm......

omg I've been hearing about todays ride out all day.. as I was slaving over ovens/grills, then hearing how good the weather was.. as I was scrubbing away at a greasy canopy. :O Glad the weather worked out for you guys and I'm sorry I missed this one. If there are any ride outs on mondays or tuesdays, or anyone heading to bike nights I'm usually free then.

And Taz! Hope you have a speedy recovery, and if there's anything I can do let me know!

Albie, as Simon says, you did nothing wrong. No single individual holds responsibility. Today was run exactly the same as it has been many times before, with no problems at all .......

I think there were a series of coincidental things that made todays ride a little different from previous ones, and perhaps Simon and I need a little chat to learn some lessons from todays ride.

shammy666 wrote:Working on a Sunday is much safer

GWS Taz - hope things not too bad.

Red5 wrote: Just remember fella, pain heels, and chicks digg scars...

Thats not what you were aiming for on Thursday was it??? Hmmmm......

Dam it!!!! was hoping no one would notice.

billinom8s wrote:

albieplums wrote:As far as I know I was last behind Kate, thought he was just bimbling, think I should've gone back as soon as I reached the 1st marker, could it have been on that downhill with the pot hole trench? I nearly came off there! But then again I should have stuck back with him all the way until we had all caught up, bad swag hope all is ok Taz.
Plums

Albie don't feel bad about it.

The important thing is that he is going to be ok, it's a shame this has happened and hopefully we can all learn from it and do things differently going forward.

Why, was he going backwards?? There's your first problem...

tips from the man who fell over going in a straight line on grass

Its a sad thing that happened and I know Chris personally, but all said and done its nobodys fault. No one is responsibale for anybody elses riding apsrt from themselves. Weather in a group of a few, a couple out as buddies or out on your own the only person responsible for keeping them on 2 wheels is the person holding the handlebars.

No fingers should be pointed either now or in the future as to how anybody rode, why JM's didnt wait for the TEC to come past before riding on or how anybody else rode, Its was an unfortunate accident and nobody was to blame.

billinom8s wrote:tips from the man who fell over going in a straight line on grass

hhmmmm, good point well presented

Bullet wrote:Its a sad thing that happened and I know Chris personally, but all said and done its nobodys fault. No one is responsibale for anybody elses riding apsrt from themselves. Weather in a group of a few, a couple out as buddies or out on your own the only person responsible for keeping them on 2 wheels is the person holding the handlebars.

No fingers should be pointed either now or in the future as to how anybody rode, why JM's didnt wait for the TEC to come past before riding on or how anybody else rode, Its was an unfortunate accident and nobody was to blame.

The first paragraph I agree with entirely. Only one person has the accident - thats the person on the machine in question.

Yesterday did, however, serve as a reminder to us that we need to tighten up and/or re-affirm some procedures and group riding "ettiquette".

From where I was sat everything seemed to be working well. Everyone together up until Chris came off and we went looking for him.

I may not have seen some things obviously.

We can't stop people coming off, but we can stop riders being alone. We could make sure no rider is ever alone by riding in a minimum of two bikes per group??

Or lists of phone numbers on file somewhere?

On a group ride we are all members of a small team, we are responsilble for our team mates and them to you too. Just like my rugby team.. And if the team changes we all need to know what to do, like a substitution.

My thoughts....

So if the JM is waiting for the TEC to come through and the TEC does't show - how does the JM then contact those ahead to let them know there's a problem and to stop & wait or send someone back to go and look for the TEC? Presumably what happened yesterday was after waiting for a reasonable time the last JM came forward to the next JM and let them know the TEC hadn't come through?

Dont really know how it works but would it not be easier for the junction marker to go back when the tec dont arrive?the next marker will still be where he needs to be then?Like everyone says the accident was no bodys fault but a man should never be left behind.

we are in the process of trying to come up with a simple set of guide lines for group rideouts.

roles and requirements for TEC, roles and requirements for JM etc.

nothing major, just some helpful pointers for future large number rideouts



on a positve note - the system we were using did work, it was noticed that chris was missing and people reported this and were despatched back to try and locate him.

it's just a case of making a few tweaks to make the system run even better.

Taz I hope you recover quickly , sorry to hear of this, I was going to come but got sidetracked and did not make it
Merv