Ref: Glens (Bartman) Accident - Photo's

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Sep 10th, '06, 16:18

Glen has asked me if I would post these photo's up of the accident scene.

I think what Glen is trying to get out of this, is to show people about wearing the correct clothing.

He knows that 95% of people do, but even if one person looks at these photo's and thinks "oh $hit" and then always wears the right gear, it would be worth showing them.

Anyway here they are.

He would also like to thank everyone who sent messages of get well to him as well.

tobyedmunds · Post by **tobyedmunds** » Sep 10th, '06, 16:41

sobering

jason · Post by **jason** » Sep 10th, '06, 17:22

leather is not armour plating it might save you cuts and scratches and bad road rash. It wont save your life.

from your initial description of the accident you gave id say its more a lesson in riding within your own limits, knowing the roads, and knowing your bike.

gear is all well and good, but at the risk of stating the obvious better to avoid crashing in the first place.

This one could have killed him full leathers or not.

Anyway heres wishing glen a quick recovery.

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Sep 10th, '06, 18:10

jason wrote:leather is not armour plating it might save you cuts and scratches and bad road rash. It wont save your life.

from your initial description of the accident you gave id say its more a lesson in riding within your own limits, knowing the roads, and knowing your bike.

gear is all well and good, but at the risk of stating the obvious better to avoid crashing in the first place.

This one could have killed him full leathers or not.

Anyway heres wishing glen a quick recovery.

You mis-understood him, he didnt say it would save your life, but you imagine the injuries what could have been added if he didnt have the gear on.

If u look in the top photo, you will see a white van on the left side of the photo, the car he hit was a further 25 yards infront of that, so you can see just how far he travelled on the ground and in the air.

One thing I will defo say thou, his armour boots defenetly saved his right foot from leaving his leg. He has a major slice right across his boot from where the initail impact with the car took place, if he was say wearing trainers, that foot would no longer be there.

Knowing the road is not always a possiblity, however, reading the road is, one thing I think he would benifit from is doing some form of advance training where you learn these forms of skills.

At the end of the day, this was a severe tank slapper, which I dont anyone here would have been able to control. Maybe time for a steering damper on his next bike.

Blimey · Post by **Blimey** » Sep 10th, '06, 19:20

Tank slappers are one of those things you have to brave out and try accelerate through. Still you never know what the out come will bring.

Looking at the bike mate he is a lucky chappy.

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Sep 10th, '06, 19:26

Blimey wrote:Tank slappers are one of those things you have to brave out and try accelerate through. Still you never know what the out come will bring.

Looking at the bike mate he is a lucky chappy.

Now this I 100% agree with Mark.

Mervin · Post by **Mervin** » Sep 10th, '06, 19:58

Yup anything you can do to minimize injury is a good thing, i remember getting a tank slapper at 80 on the A39 just by the hartland turning 30 years ago on my 250 having to cross the road to sort it would have been dead in todays traffic , only had the bike a month was 17 and just run it in wearing a parka jeans and wellies imagine !!!!!!!!!
merv

Post by **TLS-Moose** » Sep 10th, '06, 20:16

Go's to show the frailty of the human body really .....

I often ride in jeans, if i'm pootling about town or going for a "quiet" ride (though I always wear boots that cover my ankles, gloves, and a jacket) but never push my luck in said atire. That said, I think I see what Jason was getting at - avoiding the accident in the first place is always the best way of staying in one peace

but if the above scenario does happen across your path, it is surely far better to be swaddled in cow hide and let that scuff down the highway than to be be in "inapropriate" clothes and see your own hide ground away

At the end of the day, if your chips are up pretty much nothing will save you, but better clothing gives you a fighting chance in any lesser situation. Even the best riders have "unlucky" moments

jonoono69 · Post by **jonoono69** » Sep 10th, '06, 22:15

i agree, whether it be on a mini moto or a hayabusa,
your in gods hands when it comes to a tank slapper.
speedy recovery glen.[/quote]

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Sep 11th, '06, 09:29

jason wrote:leather is not armour plating it might save you cuts and scratches and bad road rash. It wont save your life.

from your initial description of the accident you gave id say its more a lesson in riding within your own limits, knowing the roads, and knowing your bike.

gear is all well and good, but at the risk of stating the obvious better to avoid crashing in the first place.

This one could have killed him full leathers or not.

Anyway heres wishing glen a quick recovery.

sorry jason but i don't agree with you here. Full leathers, decent boots and gloves and a good helmet CAN save your life. No they aren't amour plating and will not save your life in every type of accident but they make a huge difference.

In particular full leathers, boots and golves can help prevent gravel rash, cuts and fractures bones. Now this might not sound that important but in a big accident this could mean the difference between life and death.

jason · Post by **jason** » Sep 11th, '06, 10:14

I see what you and speedy are saying (especially wth regard to the boots versus trainers things)

but I still maintain that the real lesson is not crashing in the first place.

bikes dont just go into tankslappers due to bad luck.

Presuming your bike is well maintained and isnt running with a blown fork seal or something...

You have to motoring over bumpy roads with the front end loaded or hit some pothole or obstacle - or you you cross your front wheel up landing it from a wheelie or crested bump/hump in the road.

in short they can be avoided. Thats where the real lesson here should be.

sorry if I sound like a self righteous arse, but the problem with motorcyclists is that we like to think its never our fault - its always those damm car drivers or bad luck. Although In reality most of it is down to us. and that vid of mr teem crashing on the A38 on the other thread, I might be wrong here but that looks very much like he crossed lanes in front of that car whilst slowing . Yet our instant response is to think "damm car drivers".

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Sep 11th, '06, 10:29

well as long as bartman is makinhg a recovery and doing well.the top pic is wuite savage. get well soon.

matt

ZXR400Lee · Post by **ZXR400Lee** » Sep 11th, '06, 10:32

jason wrote:
sorry if I sound like a self righteous arse, but the problem with motorcyclists is that we like to think its never our fault - its always those damm car drivers or bad luck. Although In reality most of it is down to us. and that vid of mr teem crashing on the A38 on the other thread, I might be wrong here but that looks very much like he crossed lanes in front of that car whilst slowing . Yet our instant response is to think "damm car drivers".

Well said.. I feel exactly the same way when I talk about bike accidents with bikers, the majority always blaming everybody but themselves!

ZXR400Lee · Post by **ZXR400Lee** » Sep 11th, '06, 10:34

Only yesterday, on the Jennings run, I see soo much idiot riding (I was driving to Newquay to see family in the car).. a rider on a 125cc with L plates nearly hit me head on, in the middle of my side of the road trying to overtake a car.

Blimey · Post by **Blimey** » Sep 11th, '06, 19:36

Every accident i have had which involved me hitting a car i was always too quick on blaming the car driver. Ok they have pulled out in front of me and so i go on and the same has happened again. Looking back i now blame myself for not being more alert and having my wits about me.

So far the last couple years i have been trouble free.

Like that silly women who walked out in front of me the other day. If it wasn't for me she would of been seroiusly injured and me too. It was me who was in control of that situation and the destiny of us both.

Talking of "Tankslappers" we all push it a bit on the old "B" roads and sometimes a dip or pot hole can catch us out and put us into one of these situations.

Just take it easy all yeah and we all learn from our missfortunes.

Its the way of life