To all the 400cc owners, gather in and introduce youselfs!

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Jan 31st, '06, 10:08

babyblade89 wrote:yeah others can come too tom, but i thought it would be good as we all have the same amount of power and it well its a 400 thing!!! like if dynasangel comes then dynamight will too, and it ain't often you get a loads of 400s together is it!!!

keep posting and chatting and giving me more and more ideas!

chris

power is irrelevant a well ridden (and derestricted) 125 can easily keep up with any swb rideout.

I'm also not sure about 400s ruling the bends - they certainly handle well but i don't think the 400s (most of which are now at least 10 years old) can really compete with new 600s.

That said the 400s always look fantastic and are perfect for sunday blasts - and possible more rewarding o ride than the 600s.

jason · Post by **jason** » Jan 31st, '06, 13:26

andrew wrote: I'm also not sure about 400s ruling the bends - they certainly handle well but i don't think the 400s (most of which are now at least 10 years old) can really compete with new 600s.

That said the 400s always look fantastic and are perfect for sunday blasts - and possible more rewarding o ride than the 600s.

back in the early 90's they did when you where lining them up against lardy zxr750's and underbraked fzr600's and the plainly terrible handling gsxr11. They also werent that much slower than those bikes it was made to compete against. so the 400s where a big advantage on twisty roads.

the goal posts move considerably over the years though. A modern 600 sportsbike is almost certainly a better handling quicker cornering bike than any 400. bear in mind that A gsxr1000 weighs in less than a vfr400r and has brakes that will scrub off speed far far quicker than any 400.

Not saying that a decent rider on a 400 cant whup someone on a bigger capacity sportsbike - just that they are at a fairly large disadvantage.

what makes them so good is that you can ride them flat out without worring about highsiding - you can use the capability of the bike in relative safety and its always more fun caning shit out of a bike than rolling around on its torque curve.

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Jan 31st, '06, 13:29

wen is this ride out? want to make sure i got my 400 before that

1154macaw · Post by **1154macaw** » Jan 31st, '06, 13:43

baskie wrote:wen is this ride out? want to make sure i got my 400 before that

It'll be posted in members area

Maver-Nick · Post by **Maver-Nick** » Jan 31st, '06, 15:36

1154macaw wrote:
baskie wrote:wen is this ride out? want to make sure i got my 400 before that
It'll be posted in members area

Nice one Keith...

DynaMight · Post by **DynaMight** » Jan 31st, '06, 18:40

I think at the end of the day the faster bike will always be faster but this will only normally be the case when you've got a decent pilot onboard who can actually use the power.

Stick most people on a twisty track/road with a brand new GSXR1000 and a NC30 I bet there wont be much in it.

And they are very rewarding when you're right up the arse of a 600/750/1000 and they can only rely on the straights to get away. I think 400's with their good handling a 60BHP is ideal for the road (but having the extra power/torque is nice too

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I love 400's, I'd go back to one in a heart beat.

Jewell · Post by **Jewell** » Jan 31st, '06, 19:18

would still have mine.....but i do like the "get out of my way or i will make your ears bleed " TL tho.

morts nc30 · Post by **morts nc30** » Jan 31st, '06, 20:04

400s are pretty much a hobby all to them selfs. Most are grey imports so they are really good to tune and they are such fun to ride. I will never get rid of mine, Even if i get a bigger bike ( cant see the point though for the road! ) i would never sell the NC to fund it.
There is so much satisfaction in bringing an oldish bike right back up to date by moddifying and tuning etc. so that if ridden correctly would put modern bikes to shame.
Mine has never failed to put a smile on my face after a rideout

jason · Post by **jason** » Jan 31st, '06, 21:43

DynaMight wrote:Stick most people on a twisty track/road with a brand new GSXR1000 and a NC30 I bet there wont be much in it.

having owned both I can categorically say any half experianced rider would be considerably quicker on the GSXR than they would doing the same stretch on an nc30, even on the tightest set of twistys you could find. I think you would be surprised by how much there was in it.

Youd Certainly be more at risk on the gsxr mind, purely by the nature of all the extra horses.

I know people like to think the old 400's are the best bikes for corners but im afraid its naive to think a modern sportsbike doesn't handle considerably better. You could restrict a gsxr1000 to 50bhp and still be able to ride it quicker through the lanes than an NC30 - its a great bike but its a 16year old design.

jason · Post by **jason** » Jan 31st, '06, 21:47

hmm that sounds like im doing a my bikes better than yours thing.

Im not, its more meant to point out that when people do dust modern sportsbikes on nc30's and the like through the twisties its not because the bike is helping them along its because they are inherently better riders than the people they are overtaking.

morts nc30 · Post by **morts nc30** » Feb 1st, '06, 00:01

jason wrote:hmm that sounds like im doing a my bikes better than yours thing.

Im not, its more meant to point out that when people do dust modern sportsbikes on nc30's and the like through the twisties its not because the bike is helping them along its because they are inherently better riders than the people they are overtaking.

True, True. If you get an average rider on a k5 gsxr and an awsome rider on a tricked 30 on a set of twisties then the 30 would prob just pip it.
Just to back up wat you are saying it would take a rider with considerable skill to beat a modern bike.........but it can be done

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Feb 1st, '06, 09:39

not sure it takes someone with considerable skill mort. There aren't that many quick riders out there (on any size machine).

i think the main problem with 400s is that they aren't as good at overtaking and they are a bit too slow for some of the fast twisty roads in europe.

That said I think 400s are great bikes and if u are a good rider then u will easily keep up with 99% of riders in england.

Now if u really want to rule the bends u need an RS250, having experienced the 125 having a bike that handles that well but with twice the power must be awesome.

Jewell · Post by **Jewell** » Feb 1st, '06, 15:46

true with jason is saying.

deffo 10 years back.....the ole argument of 400's are small and lighter and quicker on the roads but not anymore with todays bikes.

still awesome bikes tho and will always love them.

ParanoidChickens · Post by **ParanoidChickens** » Feb 3rd, '06, 15:19

well every rider is different and like what morts said bout bringing an old bike back, and when you can kick the arse (srad to be!) outta 600/750/1000 round the corners (maybe even get past them on the exit) then i wouldn't be suprised if you couldn't see my grin with SMUG written accross my forehead! roll on the restiction crap so i can have proper fun!!!

so everyone will ride what they like and as said, depends on the rider and how they use the power, and how confident they are!

but saying that, i'm with morts, i'd get a bigger bike (cbr no doubt!) but i will keep the 400 and have the fun and show up others!

chris

Maver-Nick · Post by **Maver-Nick** » Feb 3rd, '06, 15:40

babyblade89 wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if you couldn't see my grin with SMUG written across my forehead!

i will keep the 400 and have fun and show up others!

SMUG...? At running out of fuel...

More like MUG...

It's not a race out there...as long as you're riding properly (safely) I (along with most others on here) couldn't give a flying f**k how fast you are...