I was wondering if many of you have fitter a Power Commander?
I have an 2004 R1 and am thinking seriously about it...but.....what about insurance. Should I report it to my insurance provider or not?
Wondered what others have done.
Thanks
AK
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I've bought one, having a spot of bother getting it working at the moment. If you have fuelling issues it can sort them out and together with any modifications can optimise performance.
If you fit it and don't tell your insurer, make sure you get it recovered to your house so you can take it off.
If you fit it and don't tell your insurer, make sure you get it recovered to your house so you can take it off.
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Screw telling the insurance company 
They're worth it for most bikes, even if it only helps the fuel consumption it will pay for itself.
They're worth it for most bikes, even if it only helps the fuel consumption it will pay for itself.
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I've used them for a number of years & I have always told my insurance company the only questions I've ever been asked is " is it a performance enhancement" "does it make the bike faster" the answer to these questions is no mate as far as I know it only help smooth out the fueling. I have never been charged anymore for my policy, they are considered to be in the same criteria as a can. 
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Princess
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But a sports can can add bhp? meaning higher speed, even if it is 1mph.DaveMcR1 wrote:I've used them for a number of years & I have always told my insurance company the only questions I've ever been asked is " is it a performance enhancement" "does it make the bike faster" the answer to these questions is no mate as far as I know it only help smooth out the fueling. I have never been charged anymore for my policy, they are considered to be in the same criteria as a can.
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I'm not saying they don't, as I said I've never been charged anymore for declaring it, if your that worried phone and ask them, you don't have to tell them you fitted or your going to fit it. 
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It can also take bhp away if set up wrong...Princess wrote:But a sports can can add bhp? meaning higher speed, even if it is 1mph.DaveMcR1 wrote:I've used them for a number of years & I have always told my insurance company the only questions I've ever been asked is " is it a performance enhancement" "does it make the bike faster" the answer to these questions is no mate as far as I know it only help smooth out the fueling. I have never been charged anymore for my policy, they are considered to be in the same criteria as a can.
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Everyones a critic. 
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Re: Power Commander
Is there any diferents between a power comander and just getting your bike dynojeted. or is it you can just tweek it every time you mod the bike?
P.S. Still have a powercomander for a fireblade 55rr if anyone wants to buy it.
P.S. Still have a powercomander for a fireblade 55rr if anyone wants to buy it.
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A power commander is just a device which allows the fueling to be adjusted on an FI bike in the same way that a Dynojet kit allows alteration of the fueling on a carbed bike.
On it's own it will not add very much in terms of bhp, combined with a full system and and K&N type air filter you can gain by adjusting the fueling to work with any modifications you may make to the bike.
In order to get the best results the bike needs to be run on a dyno with air/fuel analysis and a custom map created specifically for your bike.
Downloading a generic map from a website will sometimes give good results, but generic maps are created by taking the average values for a number of the same bike using the same exhaust/filter combination, so some bikes will have better results than others when using a generic dowloaded map.
Most modern bikes will have a flat spot around the 4 to 6 grand mark, where the bike is deliberately leaned off to comply with emmissions legislation, this flat spot is not usually noticable with a stock silencer, however when a free flowing slincer is fitted or a free breathing air filter, this flat spot can become more pronounced, by using a power commander to adjust the fuel delivery this flat spot can be 'dialled out'. Usually the performance increase will only be a few bhp overall, but often gains of 10/15bhp will be apparent in the midrange. Larger gains will be achieved when using a well designed full performance exhaust system and free breathing airfilter, often in the region of 10bhp overall and anything upto 20bhp in the midrange against the stock set up. These gains are due to the better performance of the exhaust and filter combined with the ability of the power commander to optimise the air/fuel ratio throughout the entire rev range. To get the best results a dyno needs to be used with A/F monitoring to ensure the fueling is adjusted correctly, a poorly adjusted fuel map will not net any gains and can often make things worse. I see a lot of bikes on my dyno at the shows that have downloaded maps which are totally innapropriate fo the bike, in these circumstances the power commander is actuallymaking things worse. Loading a 'zero map' will revert to the stock factory settings, so you can always check the downloaded map against a zero map to see if there are any gains over the stock settings.
On it's own it will not add very much in terms of bhp, combined with a full system and and K&N type air filter you can gain by adjusting the fueling to work with any modifications you may make to the bike.
In order to get the best results the bike needs to be run on a dyno with air/fuel analysis and a custom map created specifically for your bike.
Downloading a generic map from a website will sometimes give good results, but generic maps are created by taking the average values for a number of the same bike using the same exhaust/filter combination, so some bikes will have better results than others when using a generic dowloaded map.
Most modern bikes will have a flat spot around the 4 to 6 grand mark, where the bike is deliberately leaned off to comply with emmissions legislation, this flat spot is not usually noticable with a stock silencer, however when a free flowing slincer is fitted or a free breathing air filter, this flat spot can become more pronounced, by using a power commander to adjust the fuel delivery this flat spot can be 'dialled out'. Usually the performance increase will only be a few bhp overall, but often gains of 10/15bhp will be apparent in the midrange. Larger gains will be achieved when using a well designed full performance exhaust system and free breathing airfilter, often in the region of 10bhp overall and anything upto 20bhp in the midrange against the stock set up. These gains are due to the better performance of the exhaust and filter combined with the ability of the power commander to optimise the air/fuel ratio throughout the entire rev range. To get the best results a dyno needs to be used with A/F monitoring to ensure the fueling is adjusted correctly, a poorly adjusted fuel map will not net any gains and can often make things worse. I see a lot of bikes on my dyno at the shows that have downloaded maps which are totally innapropriate fo the bike, in these circumstances the power commander is actuallymaking things worse. Loading a 'zero map' will revert to the stock factory settings, so you can always check the downloaded map against a zero map to see if there are any gains over the stock settings.